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Oh Crap!

Yesterday we found out that Norman Thayer is actually still alive! Go figure, but there he was in the comment section. And who are we to think it could only be him? Not me. So imagine my surprise when he agreed to share the story of his earlier boats. Thayer III. Now you may ask, why Matt would you ask such a question? Well, as it just so happens to turn out. We found Thayer III a couple months back but really had no way of making sure that it really was the Thayer family boat before Thayer IV.

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According to Norman, this was taken right before a fishing trip. Ethel stayed home!

Well, thanks to Norman who gave us these family photos, we can deduct that this must be the boat. I mean what are the chances of this happening?

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Thayer III in a field of Bulls!

The Find!

Well, while in the country working with some cattle, Jimmy noticed a hint of varnish in a barn and proceeded to look further. Well. there it was, right in the middle of a herd of bulls. Really! Go figure. Thank goodness he grabbed a photo so we have proof. Seth Katz drove down to Virginia right away to the barn and honestly we were all a bit confused. I mean there are countless Thayer IVs out there. But Thayer III? Regardless it is a very rare blond inside Mahogany outside U22. Stunning. It does appear that Norman liked his dash compass though. So could it be?  Here is Thayer III in her new home at Katz’s Marina.

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With the ladder found in under the bow storage area.

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Thayer III Dash

Here are some old Thayer family photos from Norman.

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Ethel Thayer liked to drive back then.

WOW! We did ask Pat Curtin if he knew anything about all this. He knew some, of course the Thayers had other boats. And used to live in Virginia before living up on Golden Pond. Hence Jimmy finding the boat in Virginia near Winchester VA. It all has come together. According to Norman, they got Thayer III right after the war. Norman was in the navy on a ship in the South Pacific . After he came home Ethel and Norman were stationed in Norfolk were Chelsea was born.

Norman holding Chelsies little brother Bob! Bob was in collage during the filming of the film. Which as it turns out was the first reality show ever done! Really!

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Thayer III in the storage shed at Katz’s Marina. It’s really there. No Bulls!

To think, a simple find of a boat in a field of Bull Manure could turn out to be missing link into the Thayer boat family history.

So there ya have it. Thanks Norman!


A young Norman Thayer at the helm of Thayer III

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48 Responses to “Oh Crap! – There’s A Thayer III”
  1. William Hammond

    Didn’t Norman Thayer serve under Capt. Roberts? And didn’t his family live just a little bit east of Eden?

  2. Cliff

    Who is “Thayer” ? Why is the boat named after him? Why not Pulver or royal order of the palm? Hmmmm?

  3. Troy in ANE

    While doing some CSI investigating while reading this story I want to know two things.

    1) Who broke the spot light? In the first picture in the “Field of Bulls” it is not broken. In all later pictures at Katz it is broken. Did Jimmy use it to climb up on the boat to get away from all the Bull?

    2) There is a scratch in the water line on the Starboard side just forward of the transom. Is it possible that this is actually the boat used during filming of the famous “bumping the rock” shot in the movie? That would mean that Thayer III is actually the 4th boat you talked about in the 1st story.


    • Ken Miller

      The early black/white pictures must be from when you refer to the Thayers living in Virginia. The later color photos of the bulls are from the Meade Farm in New Hampshire. No bull.

  4. Cliff

    Pulver! Or Zip! But seriously who is “Thayer” was there a “real” Thayer? IDK.

  5. wayne

    This opens up a good subject. Boats in different movies.
    Also famous actors and their boats.

  6. Mike

    I am interested to know the hull # of this “very rare mahogany hull and blond interior”. I own one of these and there is another in the same marina. I never thought the boat was rare until recently when a very well known restorer told me he had never seen one. My U22 is a 1947, hull #1216.

    • Ken Miller

      The good folks at Antique Boat Center have a U-22 with a blonde interior listed for sale. Also a 1947, it is white-sided (Listing # 14204-U22).

      If the white-sided U-22s came about because of the use of Spanish Cedar due to the shortage of mahogany cause by the war, were the blonde ceiling boards of some of these 22s also cedar or a lower grade of mahogany?

      • Greg

        Virginia White Mountain Spruce. I think….possibly…maybe… for sure not mahogany.

        WAIT JUSTA GD MINUTE…There is “spell check” on this thing….WTF!

      • Mike


        The hull sides and deck are Philippine mahogany. The instrument panel, ceiling boards and bottom planks are Port Orford Cedar.

    • Kevin F

      My boat is also blond inside and is stunning in my opinion; U22-1273. They are rare.

  7. Mike Green

    Fun story just not sure what to believe, with the ability of photoshop and the going on’s with Theyer IV story years ago. Is this where they got the idea for the movie On Golden Pond, did I miss something, is this bull or is this totally true? I have no doubt that Seth has the right Theyer IV though.

    • Rick

      This is all in print so it must all be true. Especially if its on the interweb. Now if someone will just add this to WIKIPEDIA it will be incontrovertible!

  8. Jack Schneiberg

    Well….it’s good to know that the “Old Poop” was once a “Young Poop”…….and that’s no “bull poop”!

  9. matt

    Hi Mike, regarding the boat, it has not been photoshopped! You can see the boat in person at the shop. Its stunning with its blonde interior. The cow photo is in the field in VA were the boat was when Jimmy had it in VA. That shot is untouched as well. Here is the original.

  10. Ethel Thayer

    I’m glad someone found her. Norman and I tried to get Mr. Curtin to use her in the movie but if I recall correctly, there was something about the steering wheel he didnt like. Anyone seen my canoe?

  11. William Hammond

    PHEW!!!! I was beginning to think, MR SMITH, that we’d have to GOES TO WASHINGTON to get to the bottom of this web of intricacies!!

  12. steve bunda

    Price of U-22’s going up! Tip, Look for early hull numbers , purchase and then carefully strip transom not to damage sun bleached imprint of THAYER I , or II.

    • matt

      Thayer II is rumored to be a 18 footer By the way. And I now know where it is. More on that later.

  13. Pat Roberts

    Not positive, Ethel, but I believe I read that the canoe (named Gertrude?) was purchased by Wayne Newton after the death of Katharine Hepburn. I’m sure glad you are still with us though.

  14. Kelly Wittenauer

    Please stop trying to rush the calendar to April first – the months fly by plenty quickly already!

  15. m-fine

    Mmmm…black angus! There is some tasty looking beef in that field. Grab the hind quarters and you have 6 steamship rounds to serve at Tavares (keeping with the boat theme) and further forward you have a nice supply of porterhouse steaks for the grill this summer. For now, send me the chuck and we can make some chili and beef stew to keep us warm over the next 68 days or so of winter until Sunnyland.

    As for the boat, I expect it is well infused with the stench of the bovine excrement it shared the field with all these years.

  16. John Rothert

    Since I am ADICTED to Woodyboater…I get to go cold turkey when these MOVIE stories show up….never saw the flick and don’t give a frack.
    I am going boating.
    counting down the dora days….

    John in Va.

  17. Frank Miklos

    Wonder why Norman did not keep the Thayer III very long… did he sink that one too… It is only a few years older than the Thayer IV… And if he bought the Thayer IV and 4 others, why did he never buy a Thayer V. Seeing this post I decided to go through my archives of vintage photos and see if I have any photos of earlier Thayer boats I actually found photos of Norman’s first boat.. “Thayer I” Here you see them fueling up the Thayer I in the 1930s… See Ethel running the pump..

    • Troy in ANE

      Would there rally be a Thayer I?

      Wouldn’t it just be Thayer?

      I don’t know where you guys find this stuff?

      • Frank Miklos

        My dad had a boat named Crusty I if you look under my brother’s foot you can just see the I. Yes people often named a boat with a name and I.

    • matt

      Thats amazing. I wonder if that was Normans Mother and Father? I recall Norman telling me his parents had a wonderful boat. So that would be Bert and Edna Thayer.

      • Frank Miklos

        That is Norman and Ethel in their 30s… Since Norman turned 80 in 1980 he would have been born in 1900 A photo from the 30s would be them when fairly young but still adults… They just looked a little different when young…

      • Frank Miklos

        Another way that I know it is not Bert and Edna… Edna always wore a dress… There are stories of her having words with Ethel … About her wearing pants rather than a dress in public.. Now it could be Bert and one of his mistresses.. He was known to have one or two over the years… Norman looked quite a bit like Norman.

  18. John David

    What is the status of the other on Golden Pond boats? As I recall something good for the Wood boat community was to come of them and the would not be in private hands indefinitely? That they would possibly be in a place of public exposure of some type.

    • Frank Miklos

      They get out to shows where people see them … This is better than being in a museum in my mind…. They occasionally get in the water. One of these days I would like to get out for a ride in one or both them…

  19. Bob Kays

    The original Thayer. Norman’s ancestor Thad, arrived from England on this boat.